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		<title>By: Jenny Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To defend my choice of words, I refer solely to the sheer scale of the operation and unnecessary death of soldiers as monstrous. This is not an attack or judgement against the actions of the USA. I really appreciate you all taking the time to comment and make clear the importance of the issue. I can assure you that I am greatly more informed now about the Operation than I was previously.

Kind regards,

Jenny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To defend my choice of words, I refer solely to the sheer scale of the operation and unnecessary death of soldiers as monstrous. This is not an attack or judgement against the actions of the USA. I really appreciate you all taking the time to comment and make clear the importance of the issue. I can assure you that I am greatly more informed now about the Operation than I was previously.</p>
<p>Kind regards,</p>
<p>Jenny</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Carlson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was not upset with the talk.  It was your &quot;military monstrosity&quot; remark that offended me.  I think Jim Mazour explained how we feel quite well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not upset with the talk.  It was your &#8220;military monstrosity&#8221; remark that offended me.  I think Jim Mazour explained how we feel quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: James Mazour</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Mazour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1976 Operation Paul Bunyan on the DMZ between the two Koreas was hardly a &quot;military monstrosity,&quot; as characterized by Jenny Williams.  It was the measured response of a   civilized country - the USA, to the barbaric axe murders of two American soldiers and wounding of eight other South Korean and American soldiers by a force of over 50 North Korean Communist soldiers led by the infamous North Korean Lieutenant &quot;Bulldog&quot; Pak Chul.  What were the American and South Korean soldiers doing at the time of this attack?  They were simply pruning a tree that was blocking the line of sight between an observation post and a checkpoint on the Bridge of No Return at the truce village of Panmunjom.  Ms Williams, why did the North Korean soldiers not use a peaceful  protest or engage in a non-violent dialog to respond to this tree pruning event?  The only &quot;military monstrosity&quot; in this event was the actions of those murdering North Korean soldiers.
James Mazour, JSA soldier 1973-74</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1976 Operation Paul Bunyan on the DMZ between the two Koreas was hardly a &#8220;military monstrosity,&#8221; as characterized by Jenny Williams.  It was the measured response of a   civilized country &#8211; the USA, to the barbaric axe murders of two American soldiers and wounding of eight other South Korean and American soldiers by a force of over 50 North Korean Communist soldiers led by the infamous North Korean Lieutenant &#8220;Bulldog&#8221; Pak Chul.  What were the American and South Korean soldiers doing at the time of this attack?  They were simply pruning a tree that was blocking the line of sight between an observation post and a checkpoint on the Bridge of No Return at the truce village of Panmunjom.  Ms Williams, why did the North Korean soldiers not use a peaceful  protest or engage in a non-violent dialog to respond to this tree pruning event?  The only &#8220;military monstrosity&#8221; in this event was the actions of those murdering North Korean soldiers.<br />
James Mazour, JSA soldier 1973-74</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://www.jennyleewilliams.com/witchtech/index.php/2009/11/geek-therapy-ignite-london-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jenny,

I am a former member of the JSA as well. I was there during the timeframes depicted.

A 5 minute talk is vastly too short to even begin to explain the JSA, it&#039;s history, etc. in sufficient detail to inform others exactly what it is like.

About two months before I arrived there, the North Koreans attacked an unurmed American Major (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Henderson_Incident) resulting in serious injuries.

While I was there, which was still a neutral area at the time, allowing both sides full access to each side inside the JSA, we felt fairly safe as long the North Koreans (KPA) never outnumbered us by more than 3:1. Once that critical level happened, then we would get real tense as we knew something was probably going to happen. We couldn&#039;t really counter it either, as unlike the KPA, we adhered to the armistice agreement and kept our numbers inside the JSA limited to 30 armed enlisted men and 5 armed officers.

Anyway, much more information is available on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Security_Area and the resulting links embedded in the page). As far as Operation Paul Bunyan itself goes, the reason there was so much military &#039;stuff&#039;, was to send a message to the KPA. The area was literally a tinderbox, ready to explode. Capt. Bonifas only had less than a week left in country before going home. Lt. Barrett had been in country less than weeks, and had recently gotten married before going overseas. 

In the Korean mindset at the time, if you&#039;re bigger, you&#039;re better. This partially explains all of the things like flag sizes, the sizes of the buildings there at the JSA, etc. It also was one of the criteria for any US soldier who volunteered to work there. We all had to be over 6 feet tall as the KPA still haven&#039;t been that successful in creating a tall soldier. So, with the extreme show of force, we not only sent a clear message that we had more (and were therefore bigger) military hardware ready to pound them, but that we took the axe-murder incident very seriously.

Since those were two of our own officers, murdered in cold blood in a supposedly neutral area, for most of us in the JSA, we felt our response was insufficient, but having worked there and knowing the attitudes and philosophy, we accepted it. 

A smaller military presence probably would led to gunfire, and therefore hostilities definately would have broken out.

Anyway, thanks for your time. I hope this and the wikipedia articles help explain some of the history and intricacy. Please forgive any typos, but this box has been scrolling for quite a while now, and it makes it more difficult to see what I&#039;ve written. BTW, I contributed heavily to the wikipedia articles, to help polish them up and/or get them started.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jenny,</p>
<p>I am a former member of the JSA as well. I was there during the timeframes depicted.</p>
<p>A 5 minute talk is vastly too short to even begin to explain the JSA, it&#8217;s history, etc. in sufficient detail to inform others exactly what it is like.</p>
<p>About two months before I arrived there, the North Koreans attacked an unurmed American Major (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Henderson_Incident" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Henderson_Incident</a>) resulting in serious injuries.</p>
<p>While I was there, which was still a neutral area at the time, allowing both sides full access to each side inside the JSA, we felt fairly safe as long the North Koreans (KPA) never outnumbered us by more than 3:1. Once that critical level happened, then we would get real tense as we knew something was probably going to happen. We couldn&#8217;t really counter it either, as unlike the KPA, we adhered to the armistice agreement and kept our numbers inside the JSA limited to 30 armed enlisted men and 5 armed officers.</p>
<p>Anyway, much more information is available on wikipedia (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Security_Area" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Security_Area</a> and the resulting links embedded in the page). As far as Operation Paul Bunyan itself goes, the reason there was so much military &#8217;stuff&#8217;, was to send a message to the KPA. The area was literally a tinderbox, ready to explode. Capt. Bonifas only had less than a week left in country before going home. Lt. Barrett had been in country less than weeks, and had recently gotten married before going overseas. </p>
<p>In the Korean mindset at the time, if you&#8217;re bigger, you&#8217;re better. This partially explains all of the things like flag sizes, the sizes of the buildings there at the JSA, etc. It also was one of the criteria for any US soldier who volunteered to work there. We all had to be over 6 feet tall as the KPA still haven&#8217;t been that successful in creating a tall soldier. So, with the extreme show of force, we not only sent a clear message that we had more (and were therefore bigger) military hardware ready to pound them, but that we took the axe-murder incident very seriously.</p>
<p>Since those were two of our own officers, murdered in cold blood in a supposedly neutral area, for most of us in the JSA, we felt our response was insufficient, but having worked there and knowing the attitudes and philosophy, we accepted it. </p>
<p>A smaller military presence probably would led to gunfire, and therefore hostilities definately would have broken out.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for your time. I hope this and the wikipedia articles help explain some of the history and intricacy. Please forgive any typos, but this box has been scrolling for quite a while now, and it makes it more difficult to see what I&#8217;ve written. BTW, I contributed heavily to the wikipedia articles, to help polish them up and/or get them started.</p>
<p>(my first attempt to save this appeared to have hung, so here it goes again)</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.jennyleewilliams.com/witchtech/index.php/2009/11/geek-therapy-ignite-london-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for your comment. Please be assured that denigration was not my intention. As part of my report on the Ignite London event, I referenced a five-minute talk given by Alby Reid, titled &#039;Operation Paul Bunyan&#039;, which used the poplar tree located in the Joint Security Area to launch an exploration of the incident. 

Clearly, there is always more to learn and be aware of - something that Ignite events aim to target. However, as the talks are only five minutes long, perhaps some crucial information was excluded. 

Given your direct experience, it would be great if you could use the comment space to fill in any information you feel was overlooked in Alby&#039;s talk so myself and Witch Tech fellow readers can move forward, more informed about &#039;Operation Paul Bunyan&#039; and its significance.

Please let me know what your thoughts are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for your comment. Please be assured that denigration was not my intention. As part of my report on the Ignite London event, I referenced a five-minute talk given by Alby Reid, titled &#8216;Operation Paul Bunyan&#8217;, which used the poplar tree located in the Joint Security Area to launch an exploration of the incident. </p>
<p>Clearly, there is always more to learn and be aware of &#8211; something that Ignite events aim to target. However, as the talks are only five minutes long, perhaps some crucial information was excluded. </p>
<p>Given your direct experience, it would be great if you could use the comment space to fill in any information you feel was overlooked in Alby&#8217;s talk so myself and Witch Tech fellow readers can move forward, more informed about &#8216;Operation Paul Bunyan&#8217; and its significance.</p>
<p>Please let me know what your thoughts are.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Carlson</title>
		<link>http://www.jennyleewilliams.com/witchtech/index.php/2009/11/geek-therapy-ignite-london-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Williams should learn a little history before denigrating Operation Paul Bunyan.  It may have been just a tree to her, but to North Korea it was a toll to goad the U.S. into attacking it and reigniting the Korean War.  Only our restraint kept that from happening.  How many countries would show the same sense if memers of their military were hacked to death as the two JSA officers were.

I spent a year in the JSA, arriving 18 months after the operation.  The tensions were still high and remain so today.

Being a geek is no excuse for ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Williams should learn a little history before denigrating Operation Paul Bunyan.  It may have been just a tree to her, but to North Korea it was a toll to goad the U.S. into attacking it and reigniting the Korean War.  Only our restraint kept that from happening.  How many countries would show the same sense if memers of their military were hacked to death as the two JSA officers were.</p>
<p>I spent a year in the JSA, arriving 18 months after the operation.  The tensions were still high and remain so today.</p>
<p>Being a geek is no excuse for ignorance.</p>
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